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Josh K - 13/06/2011 13:59:05
   
SCHOOLBOY THUGGERY

Read article and seen pic of 15 yo youngster' face who was  brutally attacked off the ball this Sat past in a schools match.
Why has this not been discussed here , or are we accepting this as the norm for schoolboy rugby ...

According to reports, the alleged perpetrator has been suspended before for a similar incident ... does someone have to die ??

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capeflats - 13/06/2011 14:28:54
   
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Its our fellow forumer Cali's son

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/school-rugby-violence-blamed-on-coaches-1.1082792

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paddy - 13/06/2011 14:29:08
   
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Where can we read the article Josh? Can't coment if we haven't seen it.

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capeflats - 13/06/2011 14:32:33
   
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Rugby union to probe severe under-15 ‘stomping’


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Imran Fredericks after he was injured in an under-15A game between Primrose Rugby Club and he South African College High School. Photo by Michael Walker

 

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A 14-year-old rugby player was left with a broken nose, cut eye, mild concussion, bruises and swelling after his face was allegedly stomped on in an “off the ball” incident.

“I was tackled by a Sacs player and we both went down.

“As I was about to get up I felt a shock, and the next thing I remember was getting up and holding my face because I knew it was damaged.

“I walked off the field to the first aider,” said Primrose Rugby Club player Imran Fredericks, describing an incident during the under-15A match between his team, Primrose, and Sacs on Saturday.

Fredericks was taken to City Park Hospital.

He said yesterday that when he went to Claremont police station to lodge a complaint of assault (grievous bodily harm), he was told by an official that the case would first have to be dealt with by the Western Province Rugby Union, as the the incident involved two minors on a rugby field.

Police spokesman André Traut said: “We are leaving it to the rugby union to decide if the incident was a criminal offence, and if so, we will deal with it.”

Traut said police issued a form to Fredericks to take to a medical practitioner, which will be recorded.

Primrose team manager Shamieg Saban said he saw a Sacs player stomp on Fredericks’s face.

The club would take action against the school, officials and the player, he said.

 

“The referee showed no concern whatsoever. He didn’t even go to the player to see if he was okay or call paramedics.

“Play continued and we (Primrose officials) had to walk on to the field to stop the match before things got worse.”

Saban said Sacs officials who were taping the match had not allowed him to view video footage.

He said a Sacs parent had told him that the accused player had previously been suspended after a similar incident.

Sacs under-15A head coach Barry van Selm said he was aware of the claim but couldn’t confirm the incident as it was an “off the ball” incident.

Asked whether any Sacs staffers, parents or players had witnessed the incident, Van Selm said: “Not that I know of.”

He said the school would view the match recording and if any evidence of the assault was found, it would be handed over to the Western Province Rugby Union and disciplinary action would be taken.

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Gamat - 13/06/2011 15:12:33
   
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I use to coach a school side a couple of years back. Game time on a Saturday was very intense.

Parents make for the best and worst supporters.

Some parents should actually stay at home because they cannot control their emotions and the kids pick upon this.

 


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KayPee - 13/06/2011 15:47:43
   
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Quote from the article at

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/school-rugby-violence-blamed-on-coaches-1.1082792

Sacs headmaster Ken Ball said today that video footage did not show any evidence of “stomping”.

Are we to assume now that the youngster inflicted the injuries upon himself?

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Nightmare - 13/06/2011 16:05:56
   
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 Nobody wants violence in our rugby, at any level. But how can anybody on this forum point fingers without witnessing the incident or without seeing the video footage, most of you have played the game, and how many of you have tackled a guy and had a flying boot in your face, lets wait till the final outcome before we all get emotional about this.

However if it was done to this kid the way he describes it, YES action must be taken against the guilty party.

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jakes actually - 14/06/2011 07:55:07
   
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Whether there is video evidence or not, the alledged culprit needs to face the music. The school should be taking a stand against such behaviour, especially as the kid has alledgedly a history of thuggery. Note I said alledgedly.

However the school in question has suffered several knocks to their reputation in recent years and this is just going to add to it. This incident should be dealt with and swiftly.

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sparty - 14/06/2011 09:47:38
   
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 Will the video be made avaialble to the Primroses as well ?

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Eagles - 14/06/2011 10:46:01
   
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Sad to hear about this incident!

Again I will air my view. The UNION is not taking a stance of zero tolerence. This is happening in Schoolboy right up to club level. Be a MAN!!!! Make examples!!!!

Again I will sing my same old song, it will maybe take someone to die before action is taken.

No one is taking responsibility!!

Be pro-active, not re-active!!!


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Toffee - 14/06/2011 11:02:00
   
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I have been close to schoolboy rugby for the past 14 years, watching games most weeks. The school in question has a very good record of playing clean disciplined rugby. They have codes of conduct and disciplinary procedures in place. I agree they may be under pressure to sweep the incident under the carpet but I trust they will do the right thing. It may be an accident but if not should be punished.

There are way worse schools/junior clubs when it comes to thugery. However being viewed as an "elite" school, always gets the press coverage.

The biggest problem in schools rugby is the behaviour of parents on the sidelines. I was once so disgusted at the behaviour of parents at one particular match, and after pleading with them to calm down a few times and to stay off the field, I filmed them with the intention of sending the video with a letter of complaint to the school. Unfortunately I did not do it.

I would like SACS to release the recording, it will probably reflect more bad behaviour by parents than by their children. We are a society that lacks discipline  unfortunately.

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sparty - 14/06/2011 12:32:50
   
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Toffee wrote: I have been close to schoolboy rugby for the past 14 years, watching games most weeks. The school in question has a very good record of playing clean disciplined rugby. They have codes of conduct and disciplinary procedures in place. I agree they may be under pressure to sweep the incident under the carpet but I trust they will do the right thing. It may be an accident but if not should be punished.

There are way worse schools/junior clubs when it comes to thugery. However being viewed as an "elite" school, always gets the press coverage.

The biggest problem in schools rugby is the behaviour of parents on the sidelines. I was once so disgusted at the behaviour of parents at one particular match, and after pleading with them to calm down a few times and to stay off the field, I filmed them with the intention of sending the video with a letter of complaint to the school. Unfortunately I did not do it.

I would like SACS to release the recording, it will probably reflect more bad behaviour by parents than by their children. We are a society that lacks discipline  unfortunately.


Hello , 

This is not about parents mishaving or other worse problems at other schools , its about a SACS U15 player who alleged stomped on another boys face , the pic in IOL says it all , I cannot see how else besides a direct hit/tackle to the face would do that. Taking nothing away from the other important issues you mentioned I feel its important to get to the bottom of this first. Furthermore , let me put it to you like this , if that was my kid and I saw the incident , I would have gone ballistic.

The eveidence might still prove the boys innocence but we will need to have access to it to verify that. What is disturbing and worrying is that they said they dont have video eviedence but it seems they did record teh match. I hope they supply all and not an edited version to the officials.


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Met Eish - 14/06/2011 13:14:42
   
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don't know who of you went to the link on capeflats' posting, but the last paragraph Mr. Kleynhans from WP says voilence was reported in only about 2 percent of all games played. That is SHOCKING!!

If we say on average when two schools play aech other on a Saturday there will be approximately 10 games (u/14 to u/18); thus for a 100 games on a Saturday, 20 schools will be participating. From my knowledge, every Saturday there will be on average 100 school games. If there is "voilence" at 2 of these game on average, it is disgraceful and something must be done!!

Remember the word Mr. Kleynhans according to the report used is "voilence", not "foul play", but "voilence".

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jakes actually - 14/06/2011 13:26:38
   
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Unfortunately not all involved share the same stance or view on foul play. It needs to start from the top and those are the individuals that should be setting the example for the impressionable youngsters.

There have been far too many incidents that have gone uncensored and people are therefore becoming immune to the consequences of foul play. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!!!!!!!!

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corry - 14/06/2011 14:24:36
   
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the Union are very slack with disciplinery hearings!!!there was an incedent at a club game in march where a player got assaulted off the field recieving 37stitches to the head and still nothing has been done!!!Ridiculous!now people wonder whay we have these problems in the wesren cape!!this incedent wase much more severe than the school boy incedent to the primrose player and nothing has happend so good luck to the primrose player as it seems like the union take their time to address these serious matters.!!!!


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