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Samwell Part 4 - 28/05/2011 10:31:28
   
This is sure to cause a HUGE debate???

SA support for Kiwis is sickening

MARK KEOHANE, in his Business Day Sport Monthly column, says there is no sense to betraying one’s own.

If we are indeed about freedom of choice and expression in this country of ours then the support of New Zealand teams by a large section of Cape-based coloureds should be applauded as another example of what makes this country special.

Then again, the same should apply to those white South Africans who still believe in the Vierkleur flag and their right to support a team made up only of white players.

We should also be allowing those rugby supporters with their old South African flags into stadiums and allow them freedom of choice to sing the anthem of their choice and support the team of their choice. It could be argued that’s also an example of what makes this country so special.

Freedom of choice? Come on, it isn’t as simple as that in post-apartheid South Africa. If whites have adapted – some against their will – then surely those in Cape Town especially, with designs on New Zealand as a country and New Zealanders as people, should get on the first plane to Auckland and not come back.

I am sick and tired of hearing the argument that so many coloured people support the All Blacks because of apartheid and because their black heroes were in the New Zealand team and never allowed to play in a Bok jersey.

For the record, it was only in 1970 that the New Zealand Rugby Union ever picked non-white players to tour South Africa. And by the time Super Rugby started in 1996 and New Zealand’s regional franchises toured South Africa we had been a democracy for two years where everyone’s vote – black and white – counted.

It irks me to hear Cape-based coloureds with no connection to New Zealand and no experience of the country put the people of New Zealand, the country and the rugby on such a pedestal. It irks me because they should be reserving that kind of loyalty, passion and dedication for their own team and country.

It is mystifying to see such a large number of coloureds cheering for a predominantly white New Zealand franchise team against a Stormers side in which so many coloured players excel.

It is embarrassing that Stormers captain Schalk Burger feels compelled to say that his team felt like they were playing in Christchurch, such was the support for the Crusaders when they played the Stormers in Cape Town.

It was disgusting that some of the Stormers players were verbally abused and insulted when they got off the bus – at their home stadium – by those who have only ever known Cape Town as a home. These same people then worship at the feet of those getting out of the New Zealand team’s bus.

In 2006 the All Blacks stayed at the Elangeni Hotel in Durban in preparation for the Tri-Nations Test against the Springboks. I also stayed there for the week and about 50 coloured supporters from Cape Town had travelled to Durban, dressed as All Blacks to show support.

I confronted a few in that week and their response was typical – that the All Blacks were about non-racial rugby and the Springboks were always about whites only. It was 2006 and these guys wouldn’t listen to any argument about life having moved forward in a democratic South Africa and about a Springbok team picked without racial prejudice.

Five years on and the same argument is presented. I hear the odd coloured bloke say he only supports the New Zealand teams because they play the better rugby and are a pleasure to watch.

What then to make of the 2010 match at Newlands when the Stormers hammered the Crusaders 42-14? The better rugby argument is lame.

In 2006 the All Blacks players, the core of them initially humbled by the fanatical support of South Africans for the black jersey, got fed up with it. They couldn’t move in their hotel without interference, interruption and hearing anti-South Africa abuse.

A senior All Black and member of management eventually addressed the lobby contingent and asked them to give the players some space and to back off. He also said the Boks were a great team, South Africa a wonderful country and that the men in green deserved as much passionate support. It had no impact on these blokes, who failed to see how embarrassing the situation had become.

If white Capetonians pitched up at Newlands wearing khaki, waving apartheid government flags and screaming abuse at New Zealand teams because of the Pacific Island and Maori representation, there would rightly be as much abuse shouted back at these morons from locals who live in this country and accept it as home. Why must the coloured Kiwi supporter be exempted?

It sickens me because those I have spoken to about it are arrogant and ignorant and there isn’t a worse cocktail to describe stupidity. I tried to make sense of it, but there isn’t any sense to betraying one’s own – and what I experienced recently at Newlands when the Crusaders played the Stormers was a betrayal of the Stormers players.

To those in the coloured community who refuse to support South African teams against New Zealand opposition, stop looking to the past for justification. I’d say the same to white South Africans.

Start enjoying the present of a country whose people are encouraged to transform, and start putting your own players on a pedestal. You may find the rugby experience is actually enjoyable.

– This column first appeared in the June issue of Business Day Sport Monthly.


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papwiel - 28/05/2011 18:45:45
   
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To have coloureds cheering for a white NZ team (crusaders) against their own 40% coloured home Stormers team because of apartheid issues from over 15 years ago is about as brain dead as expecting the Blue Bulls to change their name to the "Jacarandas" due to public request.....Is hulle heeltemal bev*k in hulle koppe!!!


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Josh K - 30/05/2011 16:09:11
   
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Read this article as well, just comes across as Keo pissing his pants because his wish for a Stormers victory over the Crusaders did not come to fruition .. sorry KEO its in the books.
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capeflats - 31/05/2011 08:00:24
   
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I invited keo to come talk about his article on our show. Was also going to invite you Josh and some other people who knows NZ rugby. But he not interested.
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_Slegend_ - 31/05/2011 09:21:57
   
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of course he is not interested, who would be. Would be like hitting your head against a brick wall.

Great well written article by the way.



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Josh K - 31/05/2011 09:43:29
   
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Like the one you were thrown against. Boeta CF, Im always available .. I do however have no respect for ppl who act like louts whilst supporting their teams regardless of which team they support.
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Josh K - 31/05/2011 09:44:34
   
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Sour grapes , wet panties .. call it what u like .. sorry Keo, its in the books.
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Naunu - 31/05/2011 10:25:04
   
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With all due respect, but it is people like this (Keo) that should be educated on a few matters surrounding support by coloureds for NZ teams. I would even want to apply the principle : Be careful what you wish for.

This entire article is flaunted, one sided and one dimensional, but i will not blame the man, i actually feel sorry for him. This country is very democratic, as this article speaks volumes about it as it appears that everyone, anyone can just pick up a pen and start to write how they feel about a certain topic.

Coloured support for the NZ teams will never decline, like it or not, in fact, they will get more and more support. It is predominantly about the rugby, the politics came afterwards, ask the SARU stalwards, NZ played the rugby the coloureds played in rugby isolation and the coloured people associated with it, to give this Keo but an idea where the support emanates from. Our history is rich, we learned even in the oppression era that we have choices and today we are still exercising our choices. As long as the Boks will be playing Bulls rugy, supporters of NZ in SA will not descrease. The Keos of this world must stop coming with what i call the eraser principle : Erasing everything form the past and lets move ahead on a clean page. Well it is not that simple, as our choices of today is being informed by our past experiences.

Today, is the tommorrow we were so worried about yesterday....

I do remain committed to the fact that i have respect for the Boks and their supporters....

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Josh K - 31/05/2011 11:34:13
   
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I am not even going to give this post the attention it craves .. from Keo or Samwell ...

Its a pity that in today's day and age ppl still get labelled like in the old days , and all this because of which teams they like/support/admire.
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Powerplay - 31/05/2011 12:10:11
   
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Naunu wrote: Erasing everything form the past and lets move ahead on a clean page. Well it is not that simple, as our choices of today is being informed by our past experiences.

Today, is the tommorrow we were so worried about yesterday....

I do remain committed to the fact that i have respect for the Boks and their supporters....


Naunu....could not have said it better, well done. I find it amazing that people say that it is as easy as forgetting and moving on.

I grew up in a household where my dad could not bring himself to support the Boks despite representing the country(pre-unity) himself. He and everybody else of that era had to identify with some kind of rugby style and they were sure as hell not going to align themselves with what was there oppressors at the time. So the All Blacks became more than just another team they supported and more of a life-line in terms who they looked up to in terms of rugby hierarchy. For all I have been told that the bond developed became mutual as my mom and grand-dad even has momentos of past All-Blacks who toured this country. They received this gifts because they were allowed to freely mingle with these guys. And so it became part of the rugby culture within the coloured communities.

Fortunately or unfortunately(depending on how you look at it) we were allowed to choose through our own experiences and today I am a WP/Stormer/Bok supporter by choice. While I support the notion that a person should want to be patriotic, in our country that is very much a works in progress for obvious regions. I do however respect and accept the passion for the AB's in this part of the world, because I was part of that "culture" and understand its deep-rooted beginnings. Something Mr Keo seem to have dismissed or refuses to see.

I will however say that(as Josh K has mentioned) that there should be tolerance either way. Any person using there allegiance to a specific team(either side of the fence) as an excuse for abusive and outright hooligan behaviour is doing  a great dis-service to a game they proclaim to love.    


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Naunu - 31/05/2011 12:47:57
   
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Powerplay : I had to choose my words very carefully when i first replied to this topic and i am very glad that you picked up the meaning/intention of my post. There is such alot of open spaces in Keo's topic, but we all now that he shoots from anywhere........There is even such alot of stereotyping around coloureds in his posting, it is just not true.....

I actualy do not agree with the behaviour of some of the Crusader fans at Newlands if what was said is indeed true, and it would be good for rugby if it can be adressed. Supporting your team is one thing, but to act out of hand is another thing, and that has got nothing to do with being a Crusader supporter or being coloured, because then we are stereotyping, it has got to do with you as a person, your upbring, your values.......

Keo is actually disappointing as he uses support for rugby teams and nations as a motivation to highlight certain behaviors among certain groups in the SA population which in my opinion is cheap, uneducated, biased and ininformed and i would like to say it to him myself........


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Naunu - 31/05/2011 12:52:50
   
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Slegend : What about this article is so well written and great.....

The quality of any article lies in the research, and from what i am reading Keo did not do a very great job as this article has lots of open spaces in it....

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Naunu - 31/05/2011 12:53:09
   
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Slegend : What about this article is so well written and great.....

The quality of any article lies in the research, and from what i am reading Keo did not do a very great job as this article has lots of open spaces in it....

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Naunu - 31/05/2011 12:53:50
   
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Slegend : What about this article is so well written and great.....

The quality of any article lies in the research, and from what i am reading Keo did not do a very great job as this article has lots of open spaces in it....

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Lilly - 31/05/2011 13:42:30
   
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Old Crock, I love the way you said it. I too wish I can have a debate with this guy and take him on w.r.t him being so stereotypical.  I hate talking about colour as I stand for a truly beautiful democratic South Africa. I know of white people in my office who can't stand the bokke and shout for the Crusaders and the All blacks...in fact I played with a guy at Durbanville (and his brother) who could not get enough of All Black rugby and even tried to base their game on certian All Black players.  It all depends on the circles you walk in life as to how you view life.  Some people use this website to stir political issues and some that only talks about race.

I am of a age where I didnt grow up in apartheid so I dont know what it feels like.  I went to a normal coloured school and had a normal upbringing but still made it to the top of the rugby chain - SA and Provincial.
Some people on this website dont even know certain of our history but always blame apartheid for everything.

To get back to your point...I think we have a beautiful country with lots of possibilities and in a certain way I feel that there are many All Black supporters that are jealous of the Bok supporters becase they know we are doing the right thing and that they can't suddenly shout for the Bookke cause what will their friends think of them...

This leads to guys being suddenly over supportive of the All Blacks as to not show their true colours.  

...I just want to end off by saying that all those All Black supporters, you still have a chance before the World Cup to change for who you are shouting... ;)

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