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capeflats - 04/07/2011 10:06:44
   
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What a pathetic performance from the home team.
The Coach still believe they had an excellent season. I disagree

The entire season they won playing crap rugby. They based their game on defence and won games due to opposition making mistakes and handing them penalties.
There was no penetration in Stormers attack. Is Robbie Fleck not the attack coach?
I think he did very little coaching this season

Goodluck to the Crusaders and Reds.
Skillfull players will be on display in final. Genia and Cooper for Reds and Sonny Bill & Co for Crusaders
It promises to be a great spectacle
"Rugby is LIFE, all else is mere Detail"

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palestine - 04/07/2011 10:41:50
   
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2 best team in final good luck to both teams

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Toffee - 04/07/2011 10:46:44
   
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I thought our selections have been a little too conservative. However we have made three semi-finals in a row and made the final of two of those. That is one hell of an achievement and the team and coaches need a good pat on the back. We do however need to push on and also be more adventurous. We have a lot of young talent and I am happy weare still on an upward trend.

Not sure Fleckie is to blame for the lack of enterprise. Not sure if Rassie or Coetzee decide on the team tactics. The assistant coaches have to coach in line with the teams game plan. Also, lets be honest. Our forwards were smashed and there was very little front  foot ball for the backs.  

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Powerplay - 04/07/2011 11:20:23
   
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Besides the pack being demolished, I thought the attacking play left much to be desired. 

Can somebody please explain why the back-line is lining so deep. Grant sits way behind the advantage line with the rest of the backs even further back. Any decent defence will smash them back everytime and that is exactly what the Crusaders did. No enterprise or creative flair, just man to man passing and they were as predicatable as an U/13 school team. Very disappointing I must say. The Bulls uses this strategy but for there forward dominating up and under game plan it might work. 

Although the pack made great strides this year, I still feel they need some heavies for the front row. Brockie and Blaauw has improved, but until they consistantly dominate the "big boys", they will always remain behind the chasing pack. The likes of Elstadt and Koster remains great potential, but still some way off commanding the respect needed at this level. Elstadt needs to seriously work on his contact and aerial skills. Flo will be a big loss if he is still moving on. 

Sorry to say, but Schreuder as with Poolman seems like dead ordinary players with nothing special. Maybe a bit harsh on Schreuder as he needs to adapt to this level of the game, but there is nothing there to suggest something special to work with. Connie and Habana is probably at there sell-by date already as well.  

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Porky - 04/07/2011 11:24:45
   
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With the forwards in the backline the whole time no wonder the backline was so average.  And that is the reason we were rucked off our own ball as well - because the forwards are playing fly halve and wing.

Pathetic performance.  SA teams always blame lackluster games due to traveling.  The Crusaders played last week in the quarters, traveled 11 000km and still thumped us in our own back yard - for the 2nd time this year.

Reaching semi's and finals without winning a cup means as much as the Rebels ending last - absolutely f@# ALL!!

A real concern is that, that really was the best we had and it is by far way behind the NZ teams.

I see tough times ahead.  NZ is going to be awesome in the World Cup and I don't predict any chocking this time round.

Net omdat jou gesig soos 'n piesang lyk, beteken nie jy's 'n vrugte boer nie!!

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palestine - 04/07/2011 15:56:24
   
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well said my freind

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Wolf - 04/07/2011 16:26:18
   
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I wonder how the responses would have been if the rusaders would have lost, it is awfully quiet hey LOL

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Josh K - 04/07/2011 17:07:39
   
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well said my friend , well said, we also would have heard that unlike what we hear now, the game had a massive bearing on what will happen at RWC.
Josh Kronfeld - half man half machine - A legend

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jakes actually - 05/07/2011 07:50:05
   
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Wolf wrote: I wonder how the responses would have been if the rusaders would have lost, it is awfully quiet hey LOL



I think the key is the fact that it is www.WPclubrugby.co.za

In case you weren't aware the WP stands for Western Province........


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jakes actually - 05/07/2011 07:51:44
   
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Josh K wrote: well said my friend , well said, we also would have heard that unlike what we hear now, the game had a massive bearing on what will happen at RWC.


Oh but it does......it proves yet again that the AB's have peaked far too soon and you will be fortunate to lose by only 12 points at the semi-final stage of the RWC.....


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Josh K - 05/07/2011 09:57:04
   
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Cry me a river ... give this man a kleenex ...
Josh Kronfeld - half man half machine - A legend

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PJLD - 05/07/2011 10:13:16
   
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Exactly
I love rugby, just wish i could play it.

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Naunu - 05/07/2011 13:36:10
   
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Well done to the Crusaders and well done further to them for exploiting the depth in Stormers rugby. There is actually more then what meets the eye.

For starters : What was wrong with playing Elgar Wats when Peter Grant plays a semi-final still injured ?

Are there no loose forwards in the WP structures that could have filled the back-up at loose forward, rather then bringing in Schalk Brits ?

Juan de Jong and Sadie were the driving force behind the win at the Blues, but yet they sticked with the Worlds two best centres that looked worst then craven week players on the day.

Every bit of what is wrong in WP rugby was exploited on Saturday, every bit and i hope something will be done about it.

Then we still get the very intellegent people asking why more and more coloured people are supporting NZ teams........ Makes one wonder hey, the answer is exactly what has been happening in WP, which was exploited on Saturday..........

Over 70% of the rugby playing population in WP are africans and coloureds and look who dominates, can this be true, can this still be allowed.The main structures of WP Rugby are occupied by our coloured people that claims to be there for the rugby playing community, but who still controls them, there opinions, there authority.

That is why i am saying, in WP Rugby, there is more then what meets the eye.......The money of those still controling talks, and we just walk along....


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capeflats - 05/07/2011 15:11:02
   
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True Naunu
The worlds best centres, especially Fourie was made to look very ordinary
Why the obsession with 2 or 3 guys going to tackle Sonny Bill?
They know he offloads then 2 players are out of the game.
But Allister must take alot of the blame for his poor selections.
They won based on defence but in Bloemfontein the Cheetahs ripped them apart. Benjamin got 3 tries that night. So when the defence went to sleep tyhey had no attack.
Fourie is also the biggest culprit when it comes to drifting. He just cannot straighten the line.
I think they are very optimistic to believe they are where the bulls were a few seasons ago.
They need a flyhalf who can dominate and a scrum half. As well as a frontrow who can be respected and feared.
"Rugby is LIFE, all else is mere Detail"

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Akka - 05/07/2011 17:37:05
   
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You’re spot-on Naunu.
If you do a survey today I won’t be surprised to find an increase to N.Z.Rugby support amongst the ‘coloured / black‘ group after Saturday’s dismal performance.
In those communities two support groups exist, viz.;
(1) The more younger group who appreciate the  N.Z. brand of intelligent , creative & entertaining rugby.And..
(2) The more older senior group.Those guys who fought the old repressive system and  who continue supporting N.Z. cause of the absence of  ‘genuine transformation’ in S.A.  and W.P. Rugby. They also appreciate the N.Z. brand of Rugby.
 
In my view ‘genuine transformation’ is the root cause of the dilemma facing S.A.and W.P. Rugby.
The old repressive Rugby structures ( from schools rugby to senior provincial and national rugby  are still firmly in tact .You don’t need a to be a rocket scientists to understand that ;
“One cannot produce NEW and TRANSFORMED results today if you continue using the same old formula (the same old repressive structures) you had in place and failed yesterday” .
I refuse to accept that we do not have a Sonny Bill or a Jonah Lomu somewhere in the Cape flats or in our Townships … bear in mind that the existing W.P. structures failed to find them in Bishops, Wynberg boys and the other ‘selective’ schools who up till today continue to control the management of the old and unchanged W.P.youth Rugby structures.

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